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I'm all for the whole "web 2-0" tagging stuff, but some domains seem to be "over-tagged"....
I know there are whitelists, but it makes it a pain in the behind.
For example, today I was questioned why the myspace music players are being blocked...well, it took me a while to figure out, but turns out "lads.myspace.com" is labeled as "Adware"? How can this be flagged as "Adware"? I can understand the "Music" label.....but not adware.
As far as I understand, the lads.myspace.com has multiple uses.
1) To serve ads in some places.
2) to serve the music players (both band, and profile players)
In the case of the "ads" - sure, some "ads" clicked may lead to "adware" infection, but the "ad" itself isn't "adware"....get my drift? :)
I know these labels are community reviewed/tagged, but perhaps some "proof" and/or "evidence" could be added behind the simple "yes no unsure" vote...?
This tagging system seems cool, but there just seems to be too much "overtagging".
Kinda like how I saw "invisionfree.com" tagged as "Chat" - to me, "chat" would be/include, IRC-like, web-based chat rooms that are near instant, streams of text/chat within a webpage... but not not "Message Boards" "Forums" "Newsgroups" "Bulletin Boards" or any other multitude of names they are given nowadays ;)
For those who don't know, invisionfree is a form of "message board" :)
Also, on another note, perhaps a diffenciation/distinction could be made, between "Adware" and "Advertising" - since they aren't totally the same.
Adware, to me would include "Spybot clones" and other "clones" - whose purpose is to dupe someone into downloading something that is something totally different.
Then again, Wikipedia has a completely different take on it :P "Adware or advertising-supported software is any software package which automatically plays, displays, or downloads advertising material to a computer after the software is installed on it or while the application is being used."
So, basically, any "software" that contains banners, popups, calls/phones home could/may be classified "adware".
BUT, the "ads" that are embedded "within" the application (using Wireshard, or Fiddler to grab the HTTP/domain requests) would be classified as "Advertising".Thankful People: sparko -
Another thing I've "stumbled upon" within the queue of sites awaiting tags.
It seems a lot of "Parked pages" have landed within the advertising category.
Sure, these pages "have" advertising - but they alone aren't advertising.
If this were the case, I'm guessing 80% of the Internet could be categorized as "Advertising" - since it isn't too often you find a page, without advertising of some sort on it :P
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I definently share your frustration, I've picked up on tagging some domains, any there are some users that don't get those kinds of things either. I've been going through to do whatever I can, but there is lots of mis-tagging going on.
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I just signed up, and after checking out the queue of domain tags, I'm in agreement with you.
I decided to look at some of the domains tentatively tagged with "Drugs," and was disappointed to find a LOT of mis-categorized domains including the American Society of Pediatrics, a number of University and College department domains, and some truly bizarre ones like "bong.com" which resolves to the domain of a European envelope manufacturer (with an admittedly unfortunate name), and that of an association of glass products manufacturers whose home page includes the word "pipes" (since some of their members manufacture glass piping).
Quite a number of the domains were parked, and apparently tagged just based on the domain name rather than the content.
It seems clear that some folks are using some sort of "scraping" approach to search massive numbers of domain names and site text for "suspect" words. This sort of mindless tagging seems a lot worse than not doing anything. Bogus tags make the entire feature suspect... -
Yeah, I ceased tagging when I realized what a clusterf*ck the rating system had become & that the OpenDNS staff is apparently either disinterested in the status quo or incompetent in steering it back on track.
The new top rater since then (yaniv? jyaniv?)... no, I don't think he has been "scraping". It's more likely that he has been cut/pasting domains from those listed among aggregate blacklists elsewhere (http://someonewhocares.org/hosts http://malwaredomains.com http://www.shallalist.de etc). I welcome him to confirm, or dispute, this.
With attention toward thwarting the practice of "domain tasting", I would advocate flagging parked domains which serve "advertising placeholder" pages... but if feel they really belong in a separate/distinct category from "advertising". Anyhow, the point is moot; OpenDNS has decided to not pizz on any advertiser toes & have removed our ability to block entries within the "advertising" category which we, collectively, spent (wasted!) the time to populate.
No one is steering the ship. The rating system, along with this forum, is a sad cruel joke. The staff has their head up their blogosphere. Anyone who posts to any blog in order to diss OpenDNS typically receives a staff-posted rebuttal within an HOUR, in pathetic contrast to the lack of staff participation here in their hosted forum. -
I was thinking more of "Mark" than Yaniv...
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