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    • CommentAuthorkapetr
    • CommentTimeMar 11th 2013 edited
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    Ihave read this "Networks with Dynamic IP Addresses" at http://www.opendns.com/support/article/61

    But I can't understand, how will OpenDNS get known my new IP addresss without using special "OpenDNS Dynamic IP Updater" client ?

    As I had set the "Dynamic IP Update" in "Advanced Settings" -> I had expect I will have to enter my DynDNS domain name and then will OpenDNS ask e.g. every hour all such DNS names to pair them (their IP) with proper account.

    But I was not asked to enter my name - e.g. gogo.dyndns.com.

    So - how can OpenDNS get my changed IP address ?

    I use (as many people) Dyn DNS updater in my broadband (e.g. ADSL) router and I'm 99.99% sure, that its clients do not notify OpenDNS in any way.
    And I do not beleive to be at all possible to update IP by OpenDNS without some kind of "log in", while the old IP may meanwhile use someone else before new run of such update client => old dynamic (!) IP is not usable to identify account to pairing it with new IP .

    ???

    --kapetr
    • CommentAuthorrotblitz
    • CommentTimeMar 11th 2013
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    "Ihave read this "Networks with Dynamic IP Addresses""

    Read also:
    http://www.opendns.com/support/dynamic_ip/
    http://www.opendns.com/support/dynamic_ip_downloads/
    http://www.opendns.com/support/dynamic_ip_tech/

    "how will OpenDNS get known my new IP addresss without using special "OpenDNS Dynamic IP Updater" client ?"

    OpenDNS will not know your new IP address if you don't run any form of Updater.

    "As I had set the "Dynamic IP Update" in "Advanced Settings"..."

    This only enables/allows Dynamic IP Updates for this OpenDNS dashboard network, else you would not be able to perform any.

    "I had expect I will have to enter my DynDNS domain name and then will OpenDNS ask e.g. every hour all such DNS names to pair them (their IP) with proper account."

    No, there is no pairing or anything with DynDNS, no relationship at all. Simply forget about DynDNS in this context.

    "So - how can OpenDNS get my changed IP address ?"

    You run an Updater being able to update OpenDNS, as said already.

    If you have an Updater which supports DNS-O-Matic (http://www.dnsomatic.com/), you can send your updates to DNS-O-Matic which propagates them again to DynDNS and OpenDNS and other services you may have.
    Thankful People: simbaha2
    • CommentAuthorkapetr
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2013 edited
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    "OpenDNS will not know your new IP address if you don't run any form of Updater."

    What does mean "ANY form of updater" ?
    According Yours answer seems to be necessary use some special DNS-O-Matic (?) updater.
    Are such updaters in ADSL routers ?

    And as I wrote: How is it paired with my OpenDNS account ? As I asked - it can't identified by old IP address.
    I'm interesting, how it works.
    • CommentAuthorkapetr
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2013
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    By creating account by dnsomatic.com I see, that I was 100% right:
    "And I do not beleive to be at all possible to update IP by OpenDNS without some kind of "log in""

    dnsomatic is part od opendns - same username/password
    I have to enter there my account info for DynDNS
    The update itself via HTTP contain my OpenDNS username/password == pairing new IP with my OpenDNS account.

    The unnecessary confusion is caused by splitting the service in opendns and dnsomatic.
    :-/
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    There is no splitting, they are two entirely separate services to begin with. If you use an OpenDNS updater or have a properly configurable router, you don't need to use DNSOMatic.
    • CommentAuthorkapetr
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2013
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    What do you mean with " properly configurable router " ?

    To tell OpenDNS new IP addr must by used DNSOMatic == like login to OpenDNS - just automated.
    See https://www.dnsomatic.com/wiki/api

    Where is the updet send to ? To OpenDNS ? No! To updates.dnsomatic.com.
    What credentials are used in HTTP request - those of OpenDNS.

    They are definitly not separated services.
    • CommentAuthorrotblitz
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2013
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    "What does mean "ANY form of updater" ?"

    This can be:
    - a DDNS Update Client built-in into your router's firmware
    - a DDNS Update Client built-in into a DVR, webcam or other networking device
    - a software or script running on a computer

    Not all Update Clients are able to update all services. E.g. routers are often limited to select from (pre-configured) DynDNS and maybe another.

    To Update OpenDNS you must have an Update Client being able to one of:
    - update OpenDNS directly
    - update OpenDNS through DNS-O-Matic
    - supports "user defined" where you can configure all needed parameters yourself.

    "To tell OpenDNS new IP addr must by used DNSOMatic == like login to OpenDNS - just automated."

    No, not necessarily. This is one option only beside a lot others.

    "Where is the updet send to ? To OpenDNS ? No! To updates.dnsomatic.com."

    No, not necessarily. This is one option only beside a lot others.

    "What credentials are used in HTTP request - those of OpenDNS."

    Yes, but only in case you go through DNS-O-Matic or directly to OpenDNS.

    "They are definitly not separated services."

    They are absolutely separated and have *nothing* in common.
    You can use DNS-O-Matic without ever using OpenDNS, and you can use OpenDNS without ever using DNS-O-Matic.

    Clearer now?
    Thankful People: maintenance, simbaha2
    • CommentAuthorkapetr
    • CommentTimeMar 13th 2013 edited
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    Sorry but you only refuses my conclusions but gives no evidence that I'm wrong and no concurent explanation, how i works.

    **************
    E.g. your typical answer: "No, not necessarily. This is one option only beside a lot others."
    No evidence, no informations, no explanations.

    **************
    " ... updaters"
    - give an example od router, webcam, ... which updates by opendns :-)


    *******************
    "They are absolutely separated and have *nothing* in common."


    - it is NOT true
    -evidence:
    1. credentials are common
    2. dnsomatic needs no info about account by opendns to make update there and knows that I have set there dynamic IP yes/no
    3. DnsOmatic can be usefull to make multiple dyn IP updates by many providers and his user do not need to use opendns service too, but opendns on dynamic IP is updateable only by "dnsomatic way". Dnsomatic was primary createt just to update opendns.

    **************
    Explain - HOW WILL GET opendns UPDATETED without log-in like process ?!
    Explain - HOW WILL opendsl updated in other way then dnsomatic way: https://www.dnsomatic.com/wiki/api
    • CommentAuthorrotblitz
    • CommentTimeMar 13th 2013
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    "- give an example od router, webcam, ... which updates by opendns :-)"

    All routers having ddclient or inadyn built in as DDNS update client and most AVM routers and more (search the internet).

    "HOW WILL GET opendns UPDATETED without log-in like process ?!"

    Not at all. Updates always require authentication.

    "HOW WILL opendsl updated in other way then dnsomatic way: https://www.dnsomatic.com/wiki/api "

    You meant OpenDNS, not opendsl, did you?

    - With the OpenDNS Updater: http://www.opendns.com/support/dynamic_ip_downloads/
    - With Marc's Updater: http://updater.marc-hoersken.de/
    - With ddclient or inadyn or routers having one of those built-in.
    - With some alternative router firmware.
    - With any of the routers I mentioned above, partially via DNS-O-Matic.
    Thankful People: simbaha2
    • CommentAuthorkapetr
    • CommentTimeMar 13th 2013 edited
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    congratulations !

    That is what I argue the whole time:

    It is necessary to use log-in like process - which is the one of DNS-O-Matic ( https://www.dnsomatic.com/wiki/api ) - which is used by SPECIAL clients.
    => most ADSL routers, ... have simple DynDNS update clients => most (almost allp people need SW client to use OpenDNS service with dynamic IP.

    And this all around OpenDNS is reached due the fact that opendns and dnsomatic "are definitly not separated services".

    I'm happy you've finally recognized too.

    Howgh.
    • CommentAuthorrotblitz
    • CommentTimeMar 13th 2013
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    "which is the one of DNS-O-Matic"

    No, it is also OpenDNS itself and any other service accepting IP address updates.

    "opendns and dnsomatic "are definitly not separated services". "

    Disagreed. Although you can use the same account credentials, because they are both operated by OpenDNS, they have totally different functionality, as I explained already: "You can use DNS-O-Matic without ever using OpenDNS, and you can use OpenDNS without ever using DNS-O-Matic."

    - OpenDNS is a configurable DNS service.
    - DNS-O-Matic is a service propagating IP address updates to up to dozens of other services. OpenDNS is just one of them.

    If you still didn't get it at this time, I finally give up, honestly...
    I'm powerless against such kind of advice resistance.
    Thankful People: simbaha2
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    lolwut?

    I update to OpenDNS directly, as do thousands of others, without ever touching DNSOMatic. Next?
    Thankful People: simbaha2
    • CommentAuthorkapetr
    • CommentTimeMar 13th 2013 edited
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    Funny - again again again the same - saying No, but no evidence.

    "and you can use OpenDNS without ever using DNS-O-Matic"
    How How How - with dynamic IP address?

    "I update to OpenDNS directly"
    How How How - with dynamic IP address?

    All the SPECIAL clients updating OpenDNS use the same technique = basic authorised HTTP request to where ? TO updates.dnsomatic.com. Read carefully: to updates.dnsomatic.com.

    If you use such clents, then you use what ? DNS-O-Matic!!!

    If you DO know another way how to update OpemDNS, than WHY DID YOU NOT wrote it until now ?
    It such way exist, I will be happy to finaly hear about it, but PLEASE, do not write again again again, that it exist without giving evidence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    • CommentAuthorrotblitz
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2013
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    "TO updates.dnsomatic.com. Read carefully: to updates.dnsomatic.com."

    No, to updates.opendns.com.

    "If you DO know another way how to update OpemDNS, than WHY DID YOU NOT wrote it until now ?"

    We did, but you didn't read it.

    "If you use such clents, then you use what ? DNS-O-Matic!!!"

    No, you use OpenDNS.
    Thankful People: simbaha2
    • CommentAuthorkapetr
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2013
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    In one way you are right: if I update I actualy use OpenDNS.
    This is consequence of fact, that DNS-O-Matic is part of OpenDNS.
    Exactly as you wrote: "They are absolutely separated and have *nothing* in common."
    :-D

    updates.dnsomatic.com. 60 IN A 67.215.92.215
    updates.opendns.com. 60 IN A 67.215.92.210

    NetRange: 67.215.64.0 - 67.215.95.255
    NetName: OPENDNS-NET-3

    Closed.
    • CommentAuthorrotblitz
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2013
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    I'm not sure what you want to have confirmed, and why you continue to talk about DNS-O-Matic.

    If OpenDNS is the only service you need to send IP address update information to, then you definitely don't need DNS-O-Matic (unless your Update Client is unable to support OpenDNS but supports DNS-O-Matic).

    The OpenDNS update clients, Marc's Updater and others do not make use of DNS-O-Matic at all.
    http://www.opendns.com/support/dynamic_ip_downloads/
    http://updater.marc-hoersken.de/

    Closed from my side as well.
    Thankful People: simbaha2

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