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How did cduniverse.com have Pornography and Adult Themes rejected as tags? The site sells pornographic DVDs. On the home page it look like just regular DVDs and CDs but there is an adult tab at the top, this shows pornographic pictures.
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Interesting.
When I use the OpenDNS site checker to check the domain cduniverse.com, it says "Pornography - Rejected - You didn't vote".
When accessing cduniverse.com I'm seeing "Site blocked by OpenDNS. cduniverse.com is not allowed on this network. This site was categorized as: Ecommerce/Shopping, Music, Pornography".
Humm...
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@harmony
No, "the site" clearly does not belong to the mentioned category, just because they offer explicit content somewhere on a niche page. You cannot catch this on a domain level. Else 90% of all sites/domains would be tagged that way. Especially with the strange attitude some people have with this category.
@mlgolden
Confirmed, it was rejected, but is still tagged that way, look closer:
http://domain.opendns.com/cduniverse.com
Apparently a bug, beside some other bugs we discovered with domain tagging. -
@rotblitz
Either a bug or an internal power struggle at OpenDNS.
(Do you ever sleep?)
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"(Do you ever sleep?)"
Sleep - what's that? -
- CommentAuthormaintenance
- CommentTimeAug 19th 2009
@ mlgolden
I don't know where you are, but aside from the fact that rotblitz never sleeps, he's also in a German time zone (UTC +1, I believe). I think he mentioned working in Ireland also, which would be UTC. -
AdministratorIt is indeed another bug.
The domain 'cduniverse.com' is categorized as Ecommerce/Shopping, Music and Pornography. For some reason the middle part of the page isn't refreshing and updating with the new tag, but it's there :)Thankful People: maintenance -
Ok, then I have it flagged for review. P0rn isn't appropriate tagging for top sites on a domain level.
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Administratorhttp://www.cduniverse.com/default.asp?style=ice
In this case, 'pornography' is an appropriate tag for this particular domain. -
Disagreed.
That's exactly why it's not possible to utilize this category here.
Whatever, I personally don't worry. I never visited that site before...
I'm even not sure if I would be able to order something with them, i.e. if they delivered to the EU. -
- CommentAuthorRed Prince
- CommentTimeAug 20th 2009
@fatts: May I suggest that you or someone else from OpenDNS contact CD Universe and explain to them that their entire site may be blocked by Puritans because of that section of the site.
Then explain to them that if they moved that section of the site into a separate subdomain, say ice.cduniverse.com, OpenDNS users could easily prevent their kids from visiting that section, while still letting them visit the "clean" portion.
That way people can have their cake and eat it, too.Thankful People: rotblitz, maintenance -
Seriously? OpenDNS is going to let the tag of Porn stay just because it also sells videos? Maybe Adult Themes, but since it doesn't actually show you porn I cannot understand why it would be labeled as such.Thankful People: rotblitz, Red Prince
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@Red Prince
Good approach in general. For cdunsiverse.com I'm not sure, however, because "it doesn't actually show you porn", as @diacon has already discovered.
@diacon
Fully agreed - this is what I intended to express above.
I still recommend to flag this site for review again, and again. Same as playboy.com, bodyinmind.com, aanr.com, nudeplaces.com, nudistlinklist.com and others, where I have detected inappropriate tagging as p0rn recently. This is inacceptable and useless, at least for us Europeans. Or alternatively, build a categorization for Europeans.
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CommentAuthorDaniel Gifford
- CommentTimeAug 20th 2009 edited
AdministratorI am just going to jump in here and say that everyone here has valid points. Why CD Universe chose to host their adult movie section on the same domain, I have no idea. I am going to have someone contact them to see if we can persuade them to configure it on a separate domain.
However, I also must say that there IS pornography displayed on the site. Think of it from a parent's point of view. For instance, the following image is much more graphic than, say, a JC Penney's catalog:
http://www.cduniverse.com/images.asp?pid=7510981&style=ice&image=front&title=Triple+Penetration+%23+++4+DVD
European or not, that is definitely pornography.Thankful People: Red Prince, krbuza -
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"For instance, the following image is much more graphic than, say, a JC Penney's catalog"
Agreed that this is p0rn, no question. But you will find such stuff on Google, Yahoo, Facebook, MySpace, everywhere. No reason to tag the whole "top site" as p0rn or such. Here are clearly the limits of what is possible with filtering and blocking on a domain level - and what not. Such "fine tuning" is not possible with DNS - I'm sure you know. A tag of a domain must and shall and can describe only the GENERAL character of that site, not more, not less.
"Think of it from a parent's point of view."
No, I don't, I rather would ask: does it cause harm in any way for minors? Parents don't count here, but minors. Or in other words, I don't want to protect parents, but minors.Thankful People: Red Prince, joe262 -
@rotblitz
I appreciate your networking know-how in your many comments, but your definition of "harm to minors" is lacking.
@Daniel Gifford
If you are going to make that effort to educate cduniverse, you might take the time to make similar suggestions to amazon.com RE: lingerie and to eBay RE: all of their adult material and even their "art" auctions. -
@krbuza
"... but your definition of "harm to minors" is lacking."
Prove it to me! -
Weird, cduniverse.com isn't p0rn any longer...
http://domain.opendns.com/cduniverse.com -
- CommentAuthorinfinity306
- CommentTimeSep 14th 2009
@krbuza I havent found anything like the link Daniel posted at Amazon.. also on Ebay you do have to login and be age verified to enter the mature areas.. not sure of the Art auctions as I seldom visit that area of ebay ;) -
- CommentAuthorinfinity306
- CommentTimeSep 14th 2009
My opinion is that if a site should only be tagged based on what is viewable outside of a login area... although I guess I could also see reasons why that wouldn't be as good, for conditions like work environments.. possibly there could be a NSFW category added or something to differentiate questionable content that is only accessible after a login..(notice most pure adult sites would fall in the other categories as most have previews outside of their member areas) -
- CommentAuthorinfinity306
- CommentTimeSep 14th 2009
nope not even close to the 1 on Cduniverse. pretty tame dvd cover.. -
@rotblitz
Unfortunately, the proof you request would require research involving exposure of children to the particular material under discussion, such as that hosted at cduniverse.com. I am fairly certain that such research would be prohibited by law (at least in the US), and no parent I am aware of would consent in any case.
@infinity306
Amazon, as far as I know, does not have anything even approaching that hardcore material. It does, however, have some material that some parents would prefer to have filtered out. For example, http://www.amazon.com/Open-Crotch-Seamless-Fishnet-Bodystocking/dp/B000UG9J9M/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=apparel&qid=1252955868&sr=8-8
My comment was regarding the suggestion that hosting for the pornographic depictions at cduniverse.com be moved to another server; such as adult.cduniverse.com. Material like that linked above at Amazon (which, admittedly, is rather minor in volume and extent) and at eBay (which is extensive) could easily be hosted on separate servers.
Though Amazon probably would not want the expense of such hosting for such minimal quantities. eBay, on the other hand, ought to move its "adult" material to another server because it is so extensive, regardless of the login requirement and age verification. Although that material is currently on everythingelse.shop.ebay.com, and is thereby filterable without losing all of eBay, so is material that I would not want to filter.
@rotblitz
Oh, refer to the earlier discussion regarding a bug on that page you linked.
"Site blocked. www.cduniverse.com is not allowed on this network.
This site was categorized as:
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A more extreme? Amazon.com example:
http://www.amazon.com/Elements-Desire-Jenna-Jameson/dp/B000WZ58QY/ref=sr_1_42?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1252957146&sr=8-42 -
- CommentAuthorinfinity306
- CommentTimeSep 14th 2009
most kids wouldn't be searching through all of Amazon to get their nudity fix anyway.. -
lol...
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@krbuza
"I am fairly certain that such research would be prohibited by law (at least in the US), and no parent I am aware of would consent in any case."
This is rather weak, and all would be based on assumptions and guesses then. However, I can point you to serious official researches, where it is proved that such matter cannot harm children and minors in general. Maybe your world is just too small. There is a bit more than just the USA, and there are societies where sexuality is not a taboo at all, but a normal part of human life. Maybe your kids are just to sensible?
"Amazon ... does, however, have some material that some parents would prefer to have filtered out."
The first Amazon link is certainly not p0rn and not harmful for minors. Can't visit the second just now.
"Oh, refer to the earlier discussion regarding a bug on that page you linked."
Yeah, seems to be a forth and back between mods and staff. You also saw at the same page "Pornography - Rejected", did you? Approved and rejected at the same time? A funny bug! -
@rotblitz
Yeah, I see both approved and rejected.
Sorry to give the impression that I was linking porn from Amazon. What I was linking was stuff that some people may prefer to have filtered. Again, just referencing back to OpenDNS rep Daniel Gifford's comment:
"I am just going to jump in here and say that everyone here has valid points. Why CD Universe chose to host their adult movie section on the same domain, I have no idea. I am going to have someone contact them to see if we can persuade them to configure it on a separate domain."
.... and my response that other websites ought to do the same with material that parents may want to filter.
As for sexuality and taboos, whether any segment of a culture, or an entire culture, accepts any or all sexual activities and/or depections as normal and okay for children of any, or some particular, age to view is irrelevant to me. Societal acceptance of a thing is insufficient.
I will agree absolutely that "sexuality is ... a normal part of human life." But I reject the notion that it is, or should be, "a normal part of human life" for children, especially those for whom puberty is somewhere in the future. Some activities which are "a normal part of human life" are private activities and should remain so.
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